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Post by Diamondbacks GM on Mar 6, 2015 13:33:37 GMT -5
I think one of the problems with this league from before was the amount of vetoes. I know I've said this before, but there are just too many. A veto should be used for cheating, collusion, a really awful trade.
I really think owners should be able to control teams themselves. I try to only veto with knew owners who may not be familiar with the league or format.
You won't be able to fix bad teams or not so great owners. In 30 team leagues they are inevitable. Are there trades that should be vetoed, yes but I think there are too many.
To kind of quantify, if a trade should theoretically be 50/50. In this league anything outside of 48/52 is vetoed. People will value things differently, let them run their teams, if you don't they will prolly leave.
As for current trade
Pick 4 is great. But still a prospect
Pick 105 in mlb is valuable could be someone like pedroia, cespedes, tanaka, David wright, Sandoval, Greg holland
Just looking at those 2 picks something like correa for one of those guys isn't that crazy or veto able to me.
Just my thoughts as something caused this league to fold before and we don't want it to happen again
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Mar 6, 2015 13:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by Braves GM on Mar 6, 2015 13:42:19 GMT -5
I don't think veto's were ever a problem..I'd say crazy ripoff trades like Rey conducted were a way bigger issue.
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Post by Blue Jays GM on Mar 6, 2015 13:55:59 GMT -5
I agree with jhemmons. If an owner sees fit, it should only be vetoed if it is an awful, franchise-changing deal.
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Mar 6, 2015 14:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by Braves GM on Mar 6, 2015 14:11:58 GMT -5
Its all constructive criticism, and I see what you guys are saying, but once in a while we used to look back into the trade archives and look for reeeally bad trades, and there were too many of them. A ton of them had approval messages saying something along the lines of "I hate this for team B, but I guess its not vetoable". Meanwhile a large amount of talent/value was transfered from a weak team to a powerhouse. We had like 7 teams in GSDL that we couldn't pay someone to take on. That is, in my mind, why we needed to reboot, and I'm going to use what power I have as a member of the trade board to try to prevent bad trades..the rest of you are free to vote approve if you wish. If I was getting ripped off because someone smooth talked me into buying a used car for sticker price, I'd expect criticism of both me and the dealer. I won't vote down a deal that has positive effects for both teams. I won't vote down a deal that is slightly imbalanced..I will vote down deals that I think will likely be pulled back and looked at as " man I can't believe we let that pass".
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Mar 6, 2015 14:15:05 GMT -5
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Post by Braves GM on Mar 6, 2015 14:15:05 GMT -5
Another reason I'm loose with the veto is the fact that most vetoed trades are reworked within a day to be more fair and provide value to the "losing" team. I see that as a positive effect.
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Post by Astros GM (Aaron) on Mar 6, 2015 16:51:39 GMT -5
I gotta side with Braves here. Trades from before had essentially only been non-vetoed despite the fact that they were hurting a team bad. I honestly feel, while speaking bluntly, that people were too afraid to veto because they didn't want someone to get butthurt and thus cause problems for the league because an unbalanced trade got vetoed for a good reason. It's up to us now in the reboot to try and have a league where all teams are at least in some semblence of competing either in the current season, or within the next two seasons after.
Thank you, that is all.
Astros GM Aaron Scott
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